10 April 2017 at 22:39 #4488
Dear friends, our @sebastian just discovered some issue about Lifedrop – the corporation distributing safe water in our cities on behalf of the Gov. We have a recorded phone call from one of Lifedrop’s communications officer and a piece of paper with IT information that might be important. Our @ellie @zeno and @haradin are guessing out solutions from here >> http://atlantisradio.org/lifedrop-leaks
I’ve poor wifi right now, so I hope we can all work together on this issue. Should you be unfamiliar with Lifedrop, just take a look here: http://lifedrop.solutions/
11 April 2017 at 0:14 #4497
Lots of bullshit wording on their page. Always makes me suspicious…
11 April 2017 at 16:23 #4529
<p style=”text-align: center;”>Hi People,
How about trying to put everyone to solving puzzles, hoping it has a link to the whole mess ?
I just read the blog post about Lifedrop Leaks (http://atlantisradio.org/lifedrop-leaks/). Which links to the note hereunder.
From what I understand, the first numbers are an IP accessible through a FTP server. Seems to work. Any computer geek here capable of confirming ?
Problem being – assuming Dorothy is the login – I didn’t find the password for the moment. It seems there is an officer from Panama Papers who lives nearby a M-plus fast-food in Rome (I guess), and that her phone number is the pass. I am currently researching that but if several of us start (perhaps people in Rome too) perhaps we can solve this faster.</p>
11 April 2017 at 16:28 #4530
Hey – I just went over LIFEDROP’s web site. And they have a Chief Risk Officer (think about what that means). Her name is J.F. Dorothy.
I would be very surprised if there were no connections. Anyone in Rome capable of checking this fast-food and office story ?
11 April 2017 at 16:59 #4531
Yesterday we came to the same conclusion – that it’s this Dorothy they’re talking about. Check the comments under Sebastian’s thread, there are lots of theories there.
Also, the IP tracks back to Amsterdam, not Rome. And Amsterdam is where Lifedrop’s headquarters are.
11 April 2017 at 17:04 #4533
Thanks. That makes more sense. I thought the message was recorded in Rome, my bad.
I am having great trouble finding the treads and following them on the Atlantisradio forum unfortunately. Doing my best, but I guess I am not a good enough computer guy… Not mastering one’s tools correctly is always a limit.
11 April 2017 at 17:19 #4534
Not your fault, this forum is a bit chaotic, the notifications aren’t working as they should, but I guess that’s understandable – New Atlantis aren’t a mainstream radio, they probably don’t have government funding and they host the website by themselves.
11 April 2017 at 17:22 #4535
Well… I couldn’t do 1/10th of what is on this site. So actually I would rather think it is an outstanding achievement.
I guess it is time for mankind to adapt to new technology, and not the other way around. (somehow, re-reading what I said, I find it sounds like a prophetic tone)
11 April 2017 at 17:41 #4538
Speaking of technology, we figured out that it would be a good idea to send an email to Lifedrop via their Contact page and ask for Dorothy’s number. Do you know how to set up an authentic-looking press email? If the request comes from an anonymous person on the internet, we may end up being ignored. We need to pretend we’re some big-shot journalist, or we need some actual big-shot journalist on our side to pull this off. Any ideas?
11 April 2017 at 17:48 #4539
11 April 2017 at 17:54 #4541
That is an excellent idea, but they must be swamped with demands.
Trying to be legit is easy :
- Buy an URL which really resembles that of the media/company we are pretending to be (ex : say we pretend to be the New York Times, we can try to buy NYTimes.info). A little brainstorming session should give us ideas.
- We need the e-mail to have a nice header that looks authentic. That is fairly easy.
- The tricky part is to want to call her for something that seems legit and important, otherwise they will send us to her Chief Technology Officer or something like that.
- It could also be we are contacting her for “personal” reasons. If anyone herr is working in an insurance company or in a clinic, it might serve as a cover.
11 April 2017 at 18:58 #4552
Here’s what @exit suggested:
It could just say something like “Some serious information has reached us. Need to talk to Chief Risk Officer as soon as possible, but we need to talk by phone. Cannot risk to write my errand down”.
Maybe that would sound intriguing enough to them to share the number?
11 April 2017 at 19:12 #4558
It could be an idea, it’s worth a try.
11 April 2017 at 22:12 #4579
12 April 2017 at 11:50 #4626
12 April 2017 at 12:15 #4628
And… that’s the address of our JF Dorothy!
12 April 2017 at 13:01 #4630
I mentioned that in the chat before, that I thought it was too coincidental, but it did not really catch on. Glad you found it too, may mean there is more to it than I thought :)
12 April 2017 at 13:05 #4632
Either it is a hardcore cover or there’s really something there.
12 April 2017 at 13:51 #4633
Quick recap: based on Sebastian’s leak http://atlantisradio.org/lifedrop-leaks/ and this note he copied
we need a password to get to some Lifedrop server. The password has something to do with “Dorothy”, the “Panama Papers”, the “officier database”, an “address” which is related to “M-PLUS” and some “fast food nearby”. No clear idea if we need a username or not.
I reccommend NOT TO TRY random passwords as the company might check the logs, see some suspicious activity and change their password (or try to trace back the IP of the person that tried to log in their server).
I am not an IT expert (I work with technology but I’m more like in the soft-nerd side of it) so I am kind of hoping someone will join us in this ASAP.
As said in a night chat few days ago and in the comments of the blog post, I see two paths here (one doesn’t exclude the other):
<span style=”color: #008080;”>1 – the Lifedrop Dorothy path</span>
If we just need the Dorothy’s Lifedrop office number we can try and send a pretentious email to the company (through the “contact us” module of their website http://lifedrop.solutions/contact/), asking to talk with Dorothy via telephone because there are important things to discuss and blah blah blah…
We need someone who knows how to write formal letters, like a journalist or a blogger, and try to get the phone number in a non-suspicious way (definitely not my field here).
<span style=”color: #800000;”>2 – the Panama papers path
</span><span style=”color: #800000;”>(in interested in helping please join me on this editable notepad → http://piratepad.net/6rgMQ3gMF3 as it may be difficult to perpetuate this kind of research in a forum) </span>
The voice registration talks about the Panama papers, hence Dorothy could be one of these “Dorothy” I found in the Panama papers leaks:
Charlotte Dorothy Van Heerden in South Africa (but with clearly a Netherland-like surname)
No M-PLUS nor fast food near→ Gmap here
Dorothy P. Baker, no address
Lok Teng Teng Dorothy in Singapore, where “M-PLUS” seems to be a local construction company and where a McDonald’s is in the same neighbourhood of the address → Gmap here
Dorothy Joanna Maciaga in Australia
Dorothy Jane Furness (JF Dorothy) from Hong Kong
As found out by @deep this seems to be our woman.
Gmap streetview, with M-PLUS sing and a phone number here
We should try this. Definetely.
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12 April 2017 at 14:58 #4639
From the street view (←click) found by @deep we see a M-PLUS on the main street and probably there are different fast food takeaways around (there’s a “commercial building” in front of the building linked to Dorothy, may be a sort of a mall).
There is a phone number in a sign on the street, just left to the building linked to our Dorothy.
If my drawing skills are good enough for Google, that’s a Tea House or something. Definitely not her office number, but it can be a fast way to hide a password since Lifedrop agents are everywhere in the world and can’t get to Hong Kong every time they forget a password.
If we want to follow the address striclty, Dorothy is staying at the 6th floor of the big building in 1&3 Chatham Court. On the same building there is this company with another phone number, an office phone number.
That’s it for now: two potential phone numbers to be used as passwords.
No idea of which username to use:
Again: don’t try to access the database until we have the right password. And when the time comes we’ll need to use some anonymous tools.
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12 April 2017 at 15:45 #4645
And now they’re closing down the office.. I will continue later. Please inform me of you’re finding something new!
12 April 2017 at 16:30 #4648
Don’t know how great a lead that is, but followed the Sparkling Water International Limited to a guy called Anthony James Hatton: https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/114647
He lives in Hong Kong too, in a place called Villa Pergola. Google Maps shows it’s for sale now. Close to it, just right at the corner, there is a pumping station. There are two phone numbers in the For sale sign. Difficult to read, but not impossible.
Villa Pergola: https://email@example.com,114.2757407,3a,75y,24.43h,82.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8VY0_p3e2ebFkQCNkLQRwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Pumping station: https://firstname.lastname@example.org,114.2758753,3a,75y,157.48h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_Kibf3bNwdGa2QDkDF6a3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Updated the pad V.B. created with two more consistent numbers: M-PLUS’ in Hong Kong and a Turkish fast food in the same building as Dorothy’s.
12 April 2017 at 18:26 #4654
That’s impressive. So phone numbers could be a password? What about the username? Are you all trying them over and over? Any suggestions? Fellow Atlanteans, please help! About log checking by Lifedrop: I guess this is a hard time for everybody, even for IT admins. I think they won’t notice a little bit of “noise” by guessing passwords. Don’t you?
That’s it for now: two potential phone numbers to be used as passwords.
No idea of which username to use:
12 April 2017 at 19:32 #4655
I guess you’re right, @furio. We could guess passwords, we’ve collected a lot of phone numbers to try. They’re all likely to be the password, but what if it is Dorothy’s office number that we need? We need to contact her as soon as possible. Journalist out there, we need your help!
Moreover, the user is the real problem. We have no clue until now. It could be just “Dorothy” for sure. I’m suspicious about that officer DB in the note. It could just mean database-officer, but maybe it’s a hint for the user.
12 April 2017 at 19:45 #4657
I sent an email via the Contact page on Lifedrop’s website (using a fake email address ad pretending to be a journalist), asking for Dorothy’s number, but I don’t know if they’re gonna respond. They’re probably flooded with emails
12 April 2017 at 20:21 #4658
My co worker (or is it ex co worker now?) is willing to try a few combinations. He is very good with IT. He asked me whether we can ever be 100% sure that we have the right combination. And I do not think so.
He can also make it look like it comes from the US.
12 April 2017 at 21:19 #4664
I have tried on an ftp client as well, using the IP 18.104.22.168, with Dorothy as a username, and different phone numbers from the Google Street view. Still no luck. Will try with a different username later, he said during the phonecall that Dorothy was the clue of to day, so that can refer to anything.
I don’t know what to try next, but I will try :)
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Vanja.
12 April 2017 at 21:46 #4668
Someone has already tracked this (I heard), but Im posting this for everyone to see.
12 April 2017 at 21:59 #4669
12 April 2017 at 22:21 #4670
Other data I got:
via a whois query https://whois.domaintools.com/22.214.171.124 we can see that the 37.139.0.x block is registered by “Network operations” with phone number +1(US prefix)3478756044.
Yet other numbers.
I need to sleep now and go to work tomorrow: people at my workplace start to questioning why I spend so much time on their computers…
13 April 2017 at 4:21 #4681
Thanks for finding out and the work, all who contributed.
So I did it tonight – connected, logged in and copied everything I found there.
(Sorry, I didn’t fake any IP address from Amsterdam, I just did it from here. If “Dorothy” (V.B.) logged in from Italy a few hours ago and then tried to go back to Amsterdam, it might happen that she got stuck in Switzerland for a while and tried it again.)
I got no warnings or messages when I logged in.
Shall I put the documents somewhere for you guys? Where?
This is the README.txt:
*** [file start]
Hi Manuel, since the last incident, I’ve put some simple instructions in order to help you out with it. Try not to mess up with this repository again!
You know the company strongly disapproves data leakage.
Use WinSCP to download them. Remember to set “Transfer Settings” to “Binary”! I don’t want to wake up to youe calls in the middle of the night saying that the pdfs are unreadable!
Afterwards use your usual (company approved) local software. Don’t let me say this again, do NOT use UNAPPROVED software, the company provided laptop is traced and any unapproved software will flag you and you’ll probably receive a call from service desk. And you know how much they HATE security incidents.
DATABASE // contains the lakes database and extracted file the company uses for classified password generation
REPORTS // useful information on water management
SAFE LAKES // the classified zipped list is password-protected. Follow indications in fingerprint for the right password (in case you forgot, AGAIN…)
LAST WARNING: Keep data safe.
Next time an incident occurs I will make sure it’s escalated to management.
*** [file end]
Everything can be opened and is readable, with exception of the important thing for us: the “safe lakes” data, for which we need a password.
I wasn’t able to find it out based on the hint yet: “Follow indications in fingerprint for the right password”. My first idea was whether he could somehow refer to the fingerprint that is given at the beginning of the ssh login:
ssh-rsa 2048 b3:71:cd:d3:71:5d:a1:ef:38:5f:69:d2:84:8f:1a:51.
Maybe someone of you wants to try. I really need to sleep now, I soon have to get up again for work.
13 April 2017 at 4:43 #4685
13 April 2017 at 4:59 #4686
I’ll try… might take some time – my connection is not very fast.
13 April 2017 at 5:17 #4687
I put a zip of the data here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/515wtans39tuan6/AADmEger0lH5PUJDOlNQ2Ixza?dl=0
(Of course its only a snapshot. They might change/update the content any time. So we should check again after some time – especially the “safe lakes” data.)
13 April 2017 at 6:00 #4688
That’s great news from you, Lisa. Thanks everyone who put their efforts in this.
I now wonder which was the right user/pass combination you used.
13 April 2017 at 8:29 #4691
Yes! Awesome work!
My co worker said yesterday that he could do a lot of extra things for us when he has the login, so please post it here as soon as possible.
Also: let’s get to the bottom of this, but keep our heads: they have known we are onto this for days. So they are either really sloppy or there is some other motive to let us see this.
Be extra careful Lisa!
PS: in the unreadable backup file ~$readme.txt only the word Christine is readable for now, and you are welcome, he says ;)
13 April 2017 at 8:33 #4692
13 April 2017 at 9:53 #4696
I think a fingerprint is a sort of encryption key.
13 April 2017 at 9:57 #4697
Yes, I think so as well, but who knows. Worth trying everything, isn’t it?
13 April 2017 at 10:43 #4698
Great job everyone.
I generated this map by importing the .csv file in the DATABASE folder to show the 4639 lakes.
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/lifedrop_data_140084 ~ warning: lots of data, may be extremely slow on certain connections/hardware
That’s a screen of the EU region:
Of course, there’s too many lakes/water points here: we need to decrypt the “safe lakes” list ASAP.
Let’s try not to access their server unless we really need it or think there might be some new files.
If curious we have Lisa’s copy of the files here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/515wtans39tuan6/AADmEger0lH5PUJDOlNQ2Ixza?dl=0
13 April 2017 at 10:49 #4699
I figured it out that there’re 203 places only here in Sweden.(this is just a small screenshot)
13 April 2017 at 12:14 #4702
It looks amazing and scaring at the same time.
13 April 2017 at 16:56 #4733
Ok, folks, it seems to me that we are some people trying to get the right password and who works with those documents in different ways. Can we just start talk here instead of over each others heads? I’m tired of this dubbel-working situations. We all want the same thing, so let us cooperate instead of building some elite team just chatting with each other, leaving the rest behind!
13 April 2017 at 18:10 #4738
13 April 2017 at 19:03 #4743
13 April 2017 at 19:07 #4744
@V.B. : I just took the user/pass combination you published on your pad. So the credits belong to you and the guys who helped you finding out (and not to me). I just used them.
So to publish it here:
I used WinSCP, with transfer protocol SFTP and portnumber 22, and then transferred the files.
I later realized that I only looked into and copied the content of the lifedrop home directory and that trying to have a look beyond that might give us more information. That’s why I logged in again – this time using PuTTY with SSH (port 22), so I could look around using Linux. (Logging in this way I also got the warning V.B. has mentioned.)
I didn’t find any other home directories, just what seems to be the “normal” directories and files (like system files) you find on a Linux server. It’s tons of them. Downloading and screening them all probably won’t help us. I think the most interesting data for us – water and company data – are the data in the lifedrop home directory. Unless someone wants to sabotage the server or something, but I doubt that would help us. Of course if someone is good in linux hacking, he might try to get more valuable information for us or hack files/directories we don’t see/have access to.
What I tried:
– looking around who else is there. Result: I could only see myself.
– looking for the system log files and trying to delete things connected to my login. Result: I found the files, but wasn’t able (had no rights) to read or delete them.
– looking for “fingerprint” files. Result: I found some “usual” files and one file called fingerprints.txt, but it’s content seems quite old and the people and addresses listed in there do not point to people we know from lifedrop, especially nothing about a ‘Manuel’ to whom the fingerprint hint is addressed.
– some other things
If there are ideas what else to do on the server, we might collect them and then we (a better linux hacker than me – I am not one – maybe @zeno‘s co-worker) could give another try. Btw a collegue told me that there are websites where one can easily get and then login through IP addresses from other countries – in order to hide the true location where the login comes from.)
@zeno: Don’t care about the unreadable ~$readme.txt (and maybe other ~$ files). These are temporary files from myself (I had the readme.txt open when I was creating the zip file). ‘Christine’ is the user I use on my laptop (it’s my middle name).
So I think, the most important thing now is to find the password for the “safe lakes” file (I attach it here once again), using the hint we have (“Follow indications in fingerprint for the right password”). Can these help somehow? :
– “Manuel” could maybe be the Chief Communication Officer ‘M. Perez’? (It’s the only name with M. in lifedrop’s officer board.)
– the rsa2 key fingerprint of the server is:
ssh-rsa 2048 b3:71:cd:d3:71:5d:a1:ef:38:5f:69:d2:84:8f:1a:51
– the old fingerprints.txt file from the server (however, I don’t think “Manuel” is thy guy who is able to find that file)
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Lisa.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Lisa. Reason: edited to hide part of the IP address and password (so it's not publicly readable)
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Lisa.
13 April 2017 at 19:10 #4746
@deep: Thanks for your sincerity. I want to know the truth as much as everyone else here. And I am in for uncovering things that are suspicious about lifedrop – and what has been revealed about them up to now IS very suspicious. Also what I hear from your and some other places makes me worry, and there indeed seems to be governments and authorities that are corrupted.
But I refuse to believe that ALL authorities are corrupted or do not want us to be safe or helped or that all their guidelines are bad. Because I see what authorities do in my country, and at least some of them try really hard and do their best. (Maybe the reason they can do more is because Switzerland is not in the E.U. – I don’t know.) And I also see what happens when people do not follow the guidelines (getting sick, hindering water distribution, violence on the streets,…). And yes, as my university is a federal university, I AM to a certain degree connected to “the government” or authorities – as other people here in this radio are as well. But this does not mean I/we don’t want to help and this crisis to go over. My job is to analyze the water and to try to find out as much as possible about the sources of the disease and hopefully to contribute to find a solution or a cure for it. I don’t know how good our prospects are – and yes, I fear that we are too late (if we do not get information of people who maybe know more). But not doing it definitely doesn’t make it better. And anything that hinders us doing our jobs (like protesters blocking my way to my workplace) makes it worse and costs us valuable time.
13 April 2017 at 19:56 #4753
@c-man: Thanks for the hint. I edited my comment to hide parts of the IP address and password now. (They can be found on the picture of the notes paper and in V.B.’s pad, respectively.)
And yes, I meant “Manuel”, not “Martin”, who is mentioned in the README.txt. Sorry, my mistake – I am a bit tired. I corrected it in the comment as well.
13 April 2017 at 23:52 #4764
The “safe lakes” zip of lifedrop is decrypted! It’s content is the following (plus I manually added the lake names from the csv database file in double brackets behind the “safe” lakes:
**** [file start] ***
IT_LK_20-0039-LA4042-ST01 > SAFE ((DIGA FLUMINEDDU A CAPANNA SILICHERI, Italy))
IT_LK_20-0073-LA4011-ST01 > SAFE ((DIGA DI SANTA LUCIA, Italy))
IT_LK_20-0223-LA4029-ST01 > UNDER EXAMINATION
CY_LK_d7-1-2-70 > UNDER EXAMINATION
IT_LK_10-ARE1 > UNDER EXAMINATION
CY_LK_d1-3-9-50 > UNDER EXAMINATION
GB_LK_46291 > UNDER EXAMINATION
ES_LK_ES0400379 > UNDER EXAMINATION
IT_LK_11-R110191LCH > UNDER EXAMINATION
IT_LK_08-1050200 > UNDER EXAMINATION
IT_LK_11-R110141LMU > UNDER EXAMINATION
IT_LK_08-1140300 > SAFE ((DIGA DI MIGNANO, Italy))
IT_LK_08-11001000 > SAFE ((DIGA DI RIDRACOLI, Italy))
IT_LK_225abc > UNDER EXAMINATION
GB_LK_GB35261 > UNDER EXAMINATION
CY_LK_d8-7-4-05 > UNDER EXAMINATION
ES_LK_ES0400377 > UNDER EXAMINATION
CY_LK_d2-2-6-91 > UNDER EXAMINATION
ES_LK_ES0400357 > REPEAT TEST
CY_LK_d8-9-5-60 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
CY_LK_d9-6-9-10 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
CY_LK_d9-6-3-10 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
IT_LK_08-601600 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
IT_LK_08-6000900 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
CY_LK_d8-7-2-05 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
GB_LK_UKSC004982 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
IT_LK_16-IA05-VP-AP > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
ES_LK_ES0400371 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
GB_LK_F10928 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
GR_LK_041180 > SAFE ((KREMASTON, Greece))
IT_LK_16-IA01-AP > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
CY_LK_d9-4-3-95 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
ES_LK_ES310147 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
IT_LK_17-I012-SG02-LK > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
ES_LK_ES0400366 > SAFE ((EMBALSE DE VALDECABALLEROS I, Spain))
ES_LK_ES400366 > SAFE ((EMBALSE DE VALDECABALLEROS I, Spain))
GB_LK_F10931 > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
GB_LK_GB81951590 > SAFE ((STITHIANS RESERVOIR, UK))
SK_LK_A012120O > SAFE ((BUKOVEC, Slovakia))
SK_LK_M055010Z > FURTHER TEST REQUIRED
SK_LK_I116100O > SAFE ((LUBOREC, Sovakia))
GB_LK_GBE0017318 > SAFE ((WEIRWOOD RESERVOIR ((DAM-*CLOSED*)), UK ))
**** [file end] ***
So, but PLEASE be not careless with this!!
Do not just run to this lakes and drink the water! This is a file from lifedrop, it is some days old (and we know the contamination spreads fast) and we cannot be sure whether these lakes are really safe or still safe! Furthermore carefully check the corresponding line in the csv file (including exact location in the lake – as some lakes are big and have more then one water station and not all of them are labeled as safe)!
But it could be a start for us. Some people could carefully look into the corresponding lines in the datafile. And if we have people near these lakes, they could collect water from there – a sample and a lot for drinking in case we manage to get the sample tested and qualified to be safe. And if we can get it tested, that collected water could be used as drinking water.
Or maybe some of you have other ideas what to do with this information. Just be prudent!
So I hope it was not a fatal decision to put this content online… Stay safe!
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Lisa.
14 April 2017 at 6:37 #4767
This was very quick: thanks again Lisa!
But as said before by others: it’s amazing AND scaring at the same time.
We have 4 safe lakes in Italy, 1 in Greece, 2 in Spain, 2 in the UK and 2 in Sloavkia.
Just 11 safe lakes over thousands in the main database.
Most “safe lakes” in the list are under examination or need another test: we definitely need to check the file some time in the next few days to see if they update that list.
That’s a great way to start a day in this rather horrible world: it’s rare to see people working together to create shared knowledge. Keep safe everyone, and free water!
14 April 2017 at 9:46 #4772
Im so proud of you!
Sad we dont have any safe lake here in Sweden…
14 April 2017 at 18:10 #4789
Graphical content of the SAFE LAKES file uploaded on date 06/04/2017. We need to check every day or so to see if they updated a new version (with a newer date) of the SAFE LAKES file.
Link to the map → https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/safe-lakes-1304_140357
18 April 2017 at 14:58 #4888
(Sorry for not doing it earlier – it was not possible. I’ll report about what happended and the current situation in the corresponding thread as soon as I can. Here it’s about lifedrop and safe lakes: )
I checked the lifedrop server again today. There was no updated ‘safe lakes’ file. So we have no news about this.
The only thing I found that differed from last time was an ssh-login logfile and some updated history files. I modified those files, meaning I removed the lines that reveal my activities (so they look like they did before I logged in the first time) and I set the time stamp (last modification time) of the files back to the date the files had before. I hope this helps hiding our access and activities on their server a bit.
18 April 2017 at 15:13 #4889
We are lucky to have you Lisa! Sounds great that you are able to cover our track and keep looking on them. I hope that the reason why they haven’t updated is because the water still is safe and not because they just haven’t gotten around to do it or they have found out that the site have been compromised. Keep up the great work.
18 April 2017 at 16:32 #4895
I’m happy if it can be of any help. I fear the option that they haven’t updated because their new results are the same as the old ones is rather unlikely. I was hoping for some updates of all the lakes that were marked as ‘under examination’ or further tests required’, but this hasn’t happened. I assume the reason is rather that (as you said, @Sam) they just haven’t gotten around to do it (further tests), because getting to places and traveling longer distances have become much more difficult – as we experience it as well. But it is also possible that they stopped updating files on the server because they found out that we were on / have access to it – the virus infection and crash of my laptop could have been more than just accidental… But as long as we still have access to the server, let’s hope, and I will continue checking it.
19 April 2017 at 15:09 #4926
Times are harsh for everyone nowadays, but I remember @sofielz had an OCR tool or software like that. Can you use it to find the 10 safe sites on the 145 pages PDF “EXTRACTED 10K72” and then find what was written on the Determinand_HazSubs column?
The fact that Lifedrop is not updating is kind of frustrating, it’s like we’re missing something – but again, we have a lot of things to think about these days…
19 April 2017 at 19:31 #4935
The document takes 22 minutes to search through. I’ve found nothing so far =/ I have no idea what OCR stands for. I’m only working with pictures… and this document includes 145 pages, low graphic. My computer works throught the document as if it were one huge picture, searching for pixels forming the word/s I suggest. It is far from optimal.
19 April 2017 at 22:02 #4936
Ouch, I thought it was almost some magical software you had: I guess the very low quality of this PDF doesn’t help.
Anyway I was just curious to know if there is something strange in the data related to the ten safe lake: can’t you find any code of our safe list? (e.g. IT_LK_20-0039-LA4042-ST01 and IT_LK_20-0073-LA4011-ST01 for the first two Italian lakes/dams)
[OCR stands for “optical character recognition”, a software that recognize letters in images, more or less]
19 April 2017 at 22:12 #4937
Ok, then it is OCR. Would have known… Anyway, the resolution is way to bad, so trying to get important information is hard. I will try more later, or maybe tomorrow. Need to leave my apartmen for a while.
20 April 2017 at 3:49 #4948
@V.B. : I tried with a free OCR software, but the result was not usable – the quality of the PDF is too bad for that. Maybe a commercial OCR tool gives better results.
However, I looked through the file manually, and I didn’t find any entries for Italian stations at all. So I gave it up and didn’t search for the other ‘safe’ stations anymore. So I assume the file doesn’t give us a clue on why those lakes are/were safe or have something in common.
But by the way: Has someone of you been able to collect water of one of the ‘safe’ lakes?
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